I wrote this post because I get some form of this question every single day.
“Jill, I have been drinking lemon water, but I’m still making stones. Why is this happening?”
First off, those of you who have been with me a while will know what my first question will be? Has your doctor ordered a 24-hour urine collection to see WHY you are making stones? There are MANY reasons one might be a stone maker. Without completing this essential first step, you cannot prevent new stones or keep current ones from growing.
Lemons make our urine more alkaline and increase our citrate level. Citrate is vital in preventing kidney stones because it envelopes calcium and protects it from other minerals combining with it (think phosphate and oxalate).
People who have malabsorption issues typically have less citrate in their urine. If you have Crohn’s or ulcerative colitis, have had bariatric surgery, or have any other condition that leads to frequent diarrhea, your body may not produce enough citrate. Other causes of low citrate include overeating meat protein, certain meds, gout, and low blood potassium. For some, there is no known reason.
If you ever wonder why I’m a bit negative when it comes to the generic advice of eating lemons, it’s because I hear about this every day from people who follow it. The same people who continue to make stones.
Patients told to drink lemon water often think this is all there is to staying stone-free. It isn’t. There is so much more to preventing kidney stones than cutting up a lemon. If that were the case, we would see a lot fewer ER visits for kidney stones each year.
Adding SOME lemon to your water will not hurt you, but what patients are told to do and what they actually do are two different things. I’ve worked with a lot of people who have lost tooth enamel and increased their reflux symptoms because they were drinking too much lemon water. More isn’t always better, especially in this case.
When patients complete the 24-hour urine collection, they often find that their citrate level was never an issue to begin with, but other values on the results are out of whack. They never needed to use lemons to prevent their kidney stones. I can’t stress how many upset patients I have talked to in my career regarding lemons. But you don’t know what you don’t know until you become educated.
If you do a urine collection and find your citrate is a little low, and your doc says to incorporate lemon juice into your water, that’s fine. Just make sure you get a follow-up urine collection ordered. Completing a follow-up urine collection ensures that your kidney stone prevention plan is working and that you are decreasing your stone risk.
Lemons should only be added if your citrate is just a tad below the normal range. Lemons are not going to pull a severely deficient citrate level into the acceptable range. That is when potassium citrate (one of a number of supplements often prescribed for raising pH and citrate levels in kidney stone formers) is added to one’s kidney stone treatment plan.
To summarize, adding a bit of lemon juice to your water will not cause issues in general. But please know that it is not a miracle cure for kidney stone prevention.
Your friend and advocate,
Jill
I bet on drinking lots of water everyday can help cure kidney problems. It might just take years, but it will definitely cure.
will drinking distilled water help? I started drinking 2 liters of distilled water per day. doctor says my body calcium is a little low now after two years of doing that. I eat low oxilate foods now. I don’t know if I’m doing the wrong thing or not… anyone?
Hi Ryan,
Learn about getting enough calcium through food and drink from my blog: kidneystonediet.com/blog
j
Is lime as effective as lemon in treating citrate levels?
Hi Linda,
Both are effective. But make sure you need citrate. Many will not. A 24 hour urine collection will let you know.
j
Hi Linda,
Yup!
j
I’m so confused my 24 hr urine results showed that my urine citrate was 1438 that seems extremely high ~ as the reference range says 550 for females~ so I am way over that amount. But also this is just a one day snapshot right? Can your citrate be too high? I’ve been drinking mostly lemon water in all my water intake since my appt but now that I’m following the Kidney Stone diet I’m seeing that I may not need to have the lemon ~ I do like the flavor but now worried it could damage my teeth ( I do use a straw) My urine pH though was 6.576 which is just above high range. My stones were diagnosed at calcium oxalate stones I have just one stone hanging out in my kidney even after Lithotripsy blasted it ~ it’s 8 mm. So I’m trying to prevent any more new ones or one growing bigger!! I am sooooo thankful for all the resources you provide for the community managing our Kidney health!
Kerrie,
We are not concerned with higher citrate levels unless they come with higher (over 6.5) pH levels. I have a urine collection consult if you want more help. kidneystonediet.com/shop
j
What about normal citrate 385 but high pH 8?
Hi Cari,
Actually citrate should be greater than 500. Lots of lab references are a bit lower than we would like. A pH of 8 is extrememly high. If this is coupled with high urine calcium you can be at risk for calcium phosphate stones.
j
Yes my calcium is high 347
This is not an oxalate issue is it?
I haven’t found info on how to help/eat for this in any files
Cari,
think about doing the urine collection analysis with me so I can help you better with this and you can get the most out of your doc office visit:https://kidneystonediet.com/24-hour-urine-analysis/
j
Hi
My urine citrate was low-normal @385 but my pH was 8.
Lemons would raise my citrate which I guess is good, but would probably negatively effect pH, is that correct? So citrates would be a no go? Thanks so much!